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Genin Joined: 26 Nov 2007 Posts: 242

harleywarren wrote:

Not necessarily. Bee's an octopus man. If it's a fight underwater, he's not at a disadvantage.

I'd have to put bee at a disadvantage at least for now. Kisame wasn't going all out till now and was holding his own. If bee goes all out he will be just helping Kisame. Unless he can come up with something out of his ass it looks like he is going to lose this one. I'm hoping for shark week though. I want bee around a bit longer.

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:37 am

Well, Bee's holding out, too, in that he kept the bijuu from taking over, which would threaten Bee's freedom.

Genin Joined: 26 Nov 2007 Posts: 242

harleywarren wrote:

Well, Bee's holding out, too, in that he kept the bijuu from taking over, which would threaten Bee's freedom.

I think that was more about not giving Kisame a feast to feed upon. Bee knows this guy hunts bijuu so it's safe to assume that that going hulk works against you fighting him.

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:25 pm

So... Shark Mode... Totally did not see that coming... <_<

Actually; I'm very psyched to see how this fight goes. Kisame just hit the new in Uber; all without a Sharingan or a Bijuu of his own. And he's not even a Kage. Though I don't doubt he's as strong/stronger than one.

Genin Joined: 26 Nov 2007 Posts: 242

He's a monster. I'd have to think even Mandara has a tough time with him would would explain why he recruited him. The only thing is we don't know his motives. Does it bug anybody else that we know next to nothing about him? I want to know why he left and why he ruins with Mandara.

At least we know why he was pair up with Itachi. He could rap him any time.

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:35 am

yeah kisame had been quite underrated up till now. but he's the only one that's survived after everything. and he's really been shrouded in mystery. we all knew he was powerful but to what degree nobody really knew. apparently he'd only used about 30% of his chakra against Gai. and it took Gai all he haid to defeat him (though we didnt see any turtle summoning)

at the moment, regardless of how awesome we know killerbee is, i can't see him beating kisame. makes me wonder if the kages will find him in time. kisame is uber strong and all, but how would he fare against the misukage and/or raikage? along with killerbee and sabu?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:37 am

^ Possibly not...I think. I think Killerbee will lose somehow, cos the bad guys launched a war against the shinobi nations, and if Killerbee is to win this fight, is Mandara going to have to do all this shit by himself, and Zetsu?

He will most likely lose, and be captured, and if he is to live, I sense a rescue mission, lol.

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:41 am

lol i doubt madara is too worried about losing kisame. he has zetsu like you said, and also team taka.

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:28 am

erm if others join the fight it's only to kisames favor because he can steal and use their chakkra :X

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:14 pm

It really makes you think how awesome itachi must have been.

If you remember Sharkman obeyed him.

Genin Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 383

From the looks of it, Killerbee will end up not winning.

I would think that Suigetsu would be the one to defeat Kisame. He carries around Zabuza's blade which I do think will be the key against Samehada's chakra-sucking ability. I mean it's just one big ass sharp sword which, even without advantage, won't put the user at disadvantage (feeding off chakra) but the user will definitely need some serious sword skill against an enemy like Kisame.

Now Kishi wouldn't leave such a "half-assed" sword belong to one of the deadliest swordsmen and then taken by another undoubtly powerful swordman in the story just for nothing would he? It just make sense that way. So basically Gigantic Kitchen Knife > Shark Fish Man-whore.

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:43 pm

You serious? Suigetsu shouldn't have a chance in hell of beating Kisame ever or anytime soon. He's too weak and not a very good swordsman. Any of the previous fights would indicate that.

I think Kisame's going to die here and now. He won't go down easy, but I don't see him living after this encounter. He's already caught a bijuu, after all, so he's served Akatsuki well enough. This is probably it for the ol' Shark Man. Best way to go out for him is to be defeated by the "perfect shinobi", Killer Bee.

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:17 pm

^ I agree on Harley with the fact that Suigetsu will defeat Kisame. his sword is now broke, and he only has decent skills with the sword, and some form of powerul strength, but that's it. I cannot see how Suigetsu can beat Kisame, not to mention that Kisame has shown us how ridiculously powerful he is right now. Suigetsu probably won't stand a chance.

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:45 am

:looks around:

Honestly I actually see Bee winning and/or surviving........ and my reasons as follows......

Kishimoto has now started to give labels to the Transformations we've been seeing. For instance Bee has Versions 1,2, and 3 (which is the entire Bijuu being released) and Bee can Control and/or Influence all three versions.

Bee Version 1: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/471/02/
Bee Version 2: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/471/10/
Bee Version 3: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/413/16-17/

Naruto Version 1: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/291/17/
Naruto Version 2: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/437/16-17/
Naruto Version 3: Well you get the picture.....

Now that Kishi has set up labels for us to follow we now understand when Bee trains Naruto to control his Bijuu what Levels to full control he needs to learn....

Naruto currently can only control (barely) Version 1 w/ 3 out of 9 tails as opposed to 8 out of 9 tails. (I'm assuming that if you summon all of your Bijuu's tails you immediately start to transform into version 3 which is why Bee only used 7 tails out of his 8 tails for versions 1 and 2.

However since Naruto has 1 more tail than Bee....... Naruto needs to be able to control 8 out of 9 tails in Versions 1 and 2 since as I've already said all the tails is a full Kyuubi transformation, however Naruto could (with training with Bee) control all 9 via Version 3.

Buuuuut...... Naruto can only get up to 3 tails in Version 1 and he can't even gain control of himself with 4 tails in version 2. So he is completely outmatched in regards to his control of his Bijuu compared to Killer Bee. That is why it is so crucial that Bee survive and train Naruto.

I think Kishimoto is using Bee's Character to show us the intricacies of the Host and Bijuu relationship at a very high level. Which is why this fight with Kisame is so important since it deals with Chakra and thus the manipulation of chakra via a Jinchuuruki which tells me from a readers standpoint that Naruto's training with Bee could be coming real soon since Shodaime's necklace is gone....

And this fight with Kisame is Kishimoto's way of displaying the abilities of a Host who can control his bijuu so well.... so we the readers can grasp what exactly Naruto will be working on, and with the labeling of the transformations we can get an idea of his progression of controlling Kyuubi....while training with Bee......

Since Kisame is now the "Tailless Bijuu" ... this fight (to me at least) is all about foreshadowing of what Naruto will learn and go beyond in controlling kyuubi.....but Kishi needs to make it exciting and seeing two chakra monsters go at it is always fun....

One other thing I did find it interesting that in Bee V1 had 7 tails and no blood cloak then Bee V2 is 7 tails with blood cloak. As Bee used the Hachibi's chakra to form V2 it seems to me that V1 is all of Bee's Chakra manipulating the Bijuu Chakra Shroud and V2 is the Hachibi's Chakra...... soooo..... it's just something to think about.... Theoretically then Naruto should be able to control up to 8 of 9 tails in the Chakra Shroud using his own Chakra while resonating with Kyuubi and V2 would be 8 of 9 tails in the blood shroud using Kyuubi's chakra.....

sidenote: Suigetsu could possibly get Samehada since he's now looking for a new sword.... thus making him a more relevant factor in the future in Taka.........It's funny Suigetsu loses the head cleaver and upgrades to Samehada.......after Kisame's demise..... because the Sword needs to be separate from the body of Kisame....

So I'm thinking Kisame dies and Samehada gets left behind for Suigetsu.....

But meh....we'll see.....

Genin Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 383

I'm pretty sure Suigetsu wants to collect all the swords, not replace one with another. Why would Suigetsu leave that sword after all the time of taking it back even when it broke?

And just for fun, according to the databook (lmfao), this water dude wants to fight Kisame and the rest of the swordmen members. Plus he likes jello.